$7.99. Many handloaders think the 215 is still the hottest commercial rifle primer, but the CCI and Winchester magnum rifle primers are just as hot, if not a little hotter. Does anyone have or know of a chart that lists primers from the hottest to the lightest? Out of stock. Keep them all the same. brass. endstream
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<. The amount of work involved to do the same test as you conducted herein would be immense, which is probably why it has never been published together as a single body of work. Three shot Dont know why they tested 210M primers as they seem to have gone the way of the passenger pigeon. Differences between primers are not equal - adjacent primers may be almost identical or much hotter/cooler. Makes me think about some BR4 primers for my 6.5x47L over the #400. http://www.sksboards.com/smf/index.php?topic=56422.0, http://www.mpzflame.ru/production/primers/, www.sinclairintl.com/product/11248/Primer-Pocket-Tools, https://www.rcbs.com/priming/bench-mounted/automatic-priming-tool/16-9460.html, The Snobbiest Town in The Snobbiest State in the N, Fiocchi, Ginex, Murow Small Rifle Primers, Experience 223 Remington. @(aO 0{!{:8:@T @1fpQ{3W=97,_:Xr"Ck&efS cH Se
test, using all the different primers that we have here. following primers in our possession. Large Rifle Magnum Match (LRM MATCH) Federal - 215m. Trying to decide which primers to buy next. Between these two extremes are Large Rifle primers of almost any brisance level. NOTE: This data is reference only. 50 BMG (BMG) CCI - No.35. We just wanted to This is a great post and definitely deserves a sticky in the reloading section, Thanks for posting. The following loads were with 48 grains of VVN 550 powder, Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. Winchester Reloading Large Rifle Magnum Primers. hb```,? Winchester Large Rifle primers produced a standard deviation of velocity of 13 f.p.s. The standard primer types are pistol, pistol magnum, rifle, and rifle magnum. Thanks, DR. All Rights Reserved. Read more; CCI Aps BR4 Small Rifle Benchrest (1000) $ 135.00. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - Primer burn rate(?) Must add the Federal Dry Bag to your cart, one per order. 0000015151 00000 n
210 Large Rifle Primers - 100 Count. were very even, but this was a limited lot and they are not widely available. In that post, Hoogs mentions that even a CCI Large Rifle Magnum left a noticeable amount of unburnt powder in his 460 loads using W296. CCI 350 MAG Large Pistol Primers - 100 Ct. $22.99.
same bullet and brass. Or if they are so constantly tweaking their formulas and mixes that the information we're looking for is too much of a moving target. 5.2-6.5 .4437, 3 CCI 250 LRM 5.66
18,4. I found this a while back but it seems it goes against the Win primers being hotter than the CCI. 0
Get a Remington License Plate Frame for $1 with ammo purchase. (The total velocity spread for all primers was 35 fps). There are primer Brisance test that rate primers by there brisance (Heat) but as far as I know no one has checked them for heat sensitivity. Remington Shotshell Primer All Gauges. I use cci 400 for my AR with great success ! Yeah yeah yeah, and matchkings won't kill a deer. I learned Cci 400 and cci 550 are the same! The redesigned metal parts improve sensitivity and reduce seating force. I found this a while back but it seems it goes against the Win primers being hotter than the CCI. The barrel was 24 inches long. Primer Testing Reference. were selected and match prepped, all have the same weight. well in this rifle before, and we did the same with VVN 540, as it is supposed Between these two extremes are Large Rifle primers of almost any brisance level. the frozen ones. To date, the best I approach have seen is that it is wise to have several primers that cover a range of brisance and simply test them empirically to find the one that works best with a particular load. Check With Your Local Ammo. 0000028110 00000 n
The first "magnum" primer, the Federal 215 was designed for this very purpose. Most of the tests were of 100 or more primers. I am using RCBS bench priming tool model 9460 link here: Strange that Lyman is a #2 and RCBS is #3 shell holder. We had to stop our test at this stage, as our TRG-41 got Remington AmmunitionRemington Large Rifle Magnum Primers #9-1/2M Box of 1000. Three shot groups. Check With Your Local Ammo. 41 Rifle Primers - 100 Count. Thanks ! 2847 0 obj
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Lauries findings will doubtless influence many hand-loaders who hope to produce more consistent ammunition, or achieve better accuracy. This shows the pointer after a shot has been fired. Large Rifle Primers Fed 215 WLRM CCI 250 Rem 9 M WLR F210 CCI BR2 CCI 200 Rem 9 Small Rifle Primers Fed 205 Rem 7 WSRM Fed 200 WSR CCI BR4 CCI 400 Rem 6 1/2 However, if the trends among the primers you tested hold true across a wide variety of different powders and cartridges, it would greatly facilitate selecting a small number of different primers to keep on hand to test in the event that the first choice was unsatisfactory. Three shot groups. CCI 350 Magnum Large Pistol Primers 100-Pack $ 6 99 6 dollars 99 cents. SP = Small Pistol . Large rifle primers - which measure about .128 inches in height and .212 inches in width. By contrast to the Fiocchis, they were an almost slack fit in the cases and this may have contributed to their consistent performance. Laurie Holland. 6,5 to 9,3 mm: 100: 10: 33: 18,4: 40,5: Percussion caps. Small pistol primers - which are about the same size as small rifle primers but designed specifically for handguns. All cases for each group It was topped with a Leupold 6.5-20X scope in Leupold RockyRaab, the only difference between their list and yours is that they list CCI BR4 and CCI 400 as hotter than FED 200. 0000077528 00000 n
way up the neck. JavaScript is disabled. A larger sweet spot means more reliable ignition in guns that produce off-center hits. The first "magnum" primer, the Federal 215 was designed for this very purpose. the 3 frozen overnight. I wish I had the original range data, but it's long gone. The standard pocket for a Large Pistol primer is somewhat shallower than its Large Rifle counterpart, specifically, 0.008 to 0.009 inch less. Despite the nomenclature, this primer is appropriate for some extremely high pressure pistol cartridges, such as the .221 Fireball and the .357 Maximum. Ranked in order of power. One of the frozen rounds with the CCI BR 2 hang fired. Well done gentlemen, Share the post "Ultimate Large Rifle Primer Shoot-Out 16 Types Tested". This charge fills the case to about half Non-corrosive, all weather primers deliver fast, dependable ignition under any shooting condition. In this case, it was a Federal large rifle magnum. The only primer power chart I have ever seen published was in an NRA American Rifleman article in 1984. It is relative to this set of tests and this tester. SPM = Small Pistol Mag . July 21, 2020 By Joseph von Benedikt. Large rifle primers all appear to have the same cup thickness, no matter what the type. 0000001395 00000 n
NRA Member..SWCA Member..Semi-Retired, But Not Dead Yet. It may not display this or other websites correctly. $5.03. If you shoot a .308 Win, or any cartridge that uses a Large Rifle (LR) primer, you should read an important article by Laurie Holland in Target Shooter Magazine. 6 rounds with the RWS primers hang fired, including 2 of Another thing that is not in this test, but I have noted, is using a newsprint wad over the primer. 0000012690 00000 n
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As an aside, a couple of years ago, shortmags.org published a list of primers from hottest to coolest. That is how I came up with the results. 4 Comments. In fact, from testing I and others have done, it almost seems to be capricious in nature, and therefore unpredictable as to which primer(s) might be the best alternatives to test when one is not giving satisfactory results. 0000004445 00000 n
And small you have Magnum. Three shot groups. Firing pin strength also seems to be a definite factor. Take them with a grain of salt and as a guide only. 506 42
Gold Medal Centerfire Primer .205. $47.99: NA: Notify: Midway: Winchester Large Rifle Magnum Primers 8-1/2M. The Effects Of Fishing Bait Chart; Hunting Camo Patterns; Guns. J E CUSTOM . I finally had a primer fail, just last week. Three shot groups. On the 6mm BR forum a guy took a bunch of photos of different primers and measured the flame against a ruler to determine the aggressive rating of the primer. Another unexpected finding was that with all of the 17-round strings halted for 15 or more minutes for barrel cooling between shots 10 and 11, in over half of the strings shot 11 produced a (low) MV that was out of the range of the others and had to be discounted. mounts. This is a retype after losing the original web page. This is where the similarity ends. We also wanted to check if cold temperatures have any Up to 6,000 psi difference just by changing primer brands. a custom Remington 700 we have built ourselves. Lyman & Nosler classify this as a standard primer, but Hornady, Handloads.com, and Chuck Hawks classify it as a small rifle magnum primer. The following are with 95 H 5010. of extruded Hodgdon H4831. bullet and brass. Three shot groups. Three shot groups. . and .280 Rem., to name a few. The Test. 0000053767 00000 n
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to the 30-06. CCI BR2 Large Rifle Primer 100-Pack $ 13 99 13 dollars 99 cents. Let us start with Large Rifle Primers (LRP) vs Large Pistol Primers (LPP). were weighed. It has always been my impression that low ES/SD correspond to optimized combustion; that is to say when the primer, cartridge volume (pressure cell), powder charge, were all optimized to give optimal combustion for a given bullet weight. His varmint bullets are absolutely fantastic. 0000053407 00000 n
(Heat) and cause different powders to react differently. 14 Likes. Read more. The effects of different primers, normal and magnums, on a Large rifle primers all come with one brass thickness, a nominal 0.027" (unlike small rifle primers which vary from 0.020" to 0.025" depending on make/type). All Primers have a different Brisance. I made one up for rifles cartridges once, for my own use but the method I used isn't very scientific so it might not be valid. Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. Where are S&Bs sold without paying to special shipment? 2 Winchester WAALite 37 VihtaVuori N340. All powder charges I think we have enough data above to get some sort of idea of how The average group size for the top six primers varied by only 0.10 (0.43 to 0.53), so one cant conclude that one type is much better than another. Of the others, there WAS a relation between weight and power. 0000001157 00000 n
Seating the Large Rifle primers in a standard Large Pistol pocket may cause high primers . Mother of All LR Primer Tests BLR/BSR = Berdan (not available) Cartridge Primer Size . Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. LR = Large Rifle . NOTE: Values in chart are based on 15-Shot strings. Dev. Winchester works to make sure all primers are reliable, instant and precise. borrowed. German Salazar's pictures were taken in 2005. I know everyone has a favorite, and although theyre really tough to get, I would really liked to see the Wolf LR-M in that mix. If you shoot a .308 Win, or any cartridge that uses a Large Rifle (LR) primer, you should read an important new article by Laurie Holland in Target Shooter Magazine.Holland, a talented shooter from the UK, tested no less than sixteen (16) different . Yeah yeah yeah, and matchkings won't kill a deer. Fiocchi Large Rifle Primers. var s = document.getElementsByTagName('script')[0]; s.parentNode.insertBefore(ga, s);
Or standard when choosing a primer the. Primer Flash Test Photos. The pressure changed dramatically sometimes (8k-13k PSI). size, one of which would be a ball powder. Great OP. All 3 round with the RWS primer had hang fired. A write-up will be done soon. When I use the press the primers are seated harder.In your opinion would there be a difference in ES because of the seating mechanism? CCI Bench Rest Large Rifle Primers 1000/Box $199.99; Notify Me When Available; Brand: CCI; Item Number: 10 BK; CCI Large Rifle Primers 1000/Box $149.99; Notify Me When Available; . 0000053794 00000 n
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I did try a search but couldn't find anything apart from Chainsaws similar unanswered request back in August. A different order between a few wouldn't surprise me in the least - especially if I did it all again with a different standard load. And, NO! _gaq.push(['_trackPageview']);
I noticed they listed James Calhoon in that article. Within the large rifle primers, I've found the Winchester WLR and Federal 210 to be the hottest, and the Remington 9 to deliver the least heat, with the CCI200 somewhere in between. Shotgun (209) CCI - 209. WSL. Match event calendar and rifle competition accuracy training tips. Click Photo to read full test results in Target Shooter Magazine.. 0000077042 00000 n
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Thank you very much for your efforts in providing this excellent article. This testing was done to try and rank primers by power (brisance). This primer can be used in place of the SRM primer or used when a different powder is used that is hard to ignite." Large Rifle Standard I have never looked at primers apart from reliability. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Most of the tests were of 100 or more primers. 091014. Doesn't appear to work. Results are much closer than with the LR primers and again there was a surprise winner (CBC Magtech 7 1/2). Standard deviation . I usually buy several sizes and types of primers in lots of 5000, or 10,000 about once every year or so, as I do most of the reloading for out hunt group,Its not unusually to knock out a couple hundred cartridges in an evening with my dillion reloaders). The line that shows At minimum load a handful of reduced loads with a new primer. In part 1 of my Large Rifle Comparison I take a look at each manufacturer's particular primer and give a quick overview. Closed the bolt and off she went. The following are the results of the 25-06 Remington, shot Out of stock. Product Details. $12.99. According to the same Internet sources, the Federal Gold Match Large Rifle Magnum primers (215M) are at the top of the list in terms of heat. PRIMER LEGEND . Handloader Magazine does it every once in a while. (As a note of interest, small pistol primers are .017" thick and large pistol primers are .020" thick.) Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. The US industry standards for Boxer primers are: Small pistol and rifle diameter: .175" Small pistol and rifle height: .110" Large pistol and rifle diameter: .210" Large pistol height: .110" Large rifle height: .120" At the factory, primer cups are cut out of a sheet of material much like a giant cookie cutter where they look much like a small . So, the short version is, use the primer recommended in the recipe. McMillan synthetic stock. Primer with Smallest Group Size: Remington 9 LR (0.43 average, three 5-shot groups) The main question that remains for me is how the primers results might vary between different cartridges, bullet weights, and powder loads. for the 300 Weatherby magnum. startxref
For starters, based on the loads tested, which duplicate maximum published 6.5 Creedmoor loads with the bullets used, large-rifle primers are on average 19.66 percent better than small-rifle . Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. firing 15 Nosler 130-gr. 338 Lapua size. The pointer remains at the highest point of the shot. I hear ya. There's not a lot of variance in primer burn rate, only in quantity of powder to burn per primer. I suspect they have a minor influence, but thats hunch not science! Sierra 300 grain Match King bullet. Primer sizes can be broken down as follows: Small rifle primers - which are about .175 inches in diameter and .120 inches tall. Primers labeled "match grade" cost 10 to 20 percent more than standard versions. It confirms what many of us have known for a long time. Small pistol and rifle primers utilize a cup 0.175" in diameter, while large pistol and rifle primers measure 0.210" across. Federal Gold Medal Large Magnum Rifle Primer - 100 Ct. $9.39. 100. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. We are here to talk about primers. Great article/op. These include the 308, 25-06 Remington, 300 Weatherby magnum, and finally the And small rifle primers within the large. Sale! 1 Fed Match GM215M 6.12 5.23-6.8 .351. Within every Remington primer is a group of subcomponents assembled to exceptionally tight tolerances. Weighing Primers: I did some test weighing and found the bench rest had virtually no variations. CCI No. Compare Compare Now. 0000015415 00000 n
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$ 249.99. Ive had a slam fire. Are there any primer hotness charts here? Seems they give me good results across the board. My .338 RUM likes 100 grains of H1000 behind a 225-grain Nosler Partition bullet. to be similar in burning rate. For this test, I used previously necked up and fireformed Norma 22-250 brass, body sized with a custom Redding . 5.0 out of 5 star rating (5) Primer Testing Reference You will see a large difference if you go from a large rifle primer to a magnum primer so look at primer Brisance. The following are the results of a 308 Winchester, shot in The effects of different primers, normal and magnums, on a load have been discussed many times before.