The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the Jesus forgives and loves and he also needs to be honored is all respects. (Hello to all my fellow-tithers!!!) Jesus said I came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.. Judah has always been with God. I will never forget that day that I sat in my pastors car and he prayed with me, he didnt know what was happening in my life, but he knew I needed someone to pray with and I could see it in his eyes. when you run into her at Wal*Mart. [4], Despite the website's claims that each church is independent, some followers and former followers of the New IFB have accused Anderson of having complete control over the organization and ejecting anyone who has a minor disagreement with him. And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? These are right on the money! [13] Robertson had previously attracted media attention after he stated that gay people should be shot and New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern should "go home and get in the kitchen". They act like childern, but my church loves them because Jesus loves them. 3 1/2 years ago we were addicted to marijuana, cigarettes, alcohol, and pills. My pastor and his wife sent evil. If you believe that perfection is something to strive for and/or attain this side of heaven,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. 6:14-17), We believe that God has commanded that no intimate physical activity be engaged in outside of marriage between a man and a woman. Read one thing, make a judgment that Im just bitter and move on. Jesus forgave me and Im going to choose to forgive others regardless if they want it. as a former IFB, I read this.mmmmmm, mixing truth with deceptionI wonder the author uses, the same tactics as the serpent in the garden??? Sin is sin and the Holy Spirit works in us to pinpoint where we need to change and this happens while we are in the word. 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You would probably also classify the God of the Old Testament as abusive. I mean yeah, theres some truth to a lot of this. Believers will be caught up to be with the Lord prior to the seven years of tribulation, and at the end of the tribulation Christ will return with His saints to establish His thousand-year reign on the earth (I Thessalonians 4:13-18; Titus 2:13; I Thessalonians 1:10; Revelation 3:10; Zechariah 14:4-11; Revelation 19:11-16, 20:1-6; Psalm 89:3-4). If you believe that attending an IFB church is the only way to hear the true gospel and get saved, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 36. King James is the inspired word of God While I do like the old King James Bible but King James Only is wrong because its misleading and its legalism. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. We believe raising your hands during warship is appropriate, but the Bible specifically says to bow the head 2 Chronicles 20:18. I received these because of lies that I was single with no income. Smoking in itself is not sin but I do agree that smoking can cause teeth decay, lung cancer, breast cancer, etc. If you see buses full of kids of all ethnicities and backgrounds coming to worship together, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. The tradition of men, human opinion, false science, religious creeds, nor popular opinion override the plain teaching of God's Word. Told to leave them to the hog mire until they return to the father.. You might be an IFB if Your child has went to church there 3x a week, his whole life, but when he leaves the church, your to have nothing to do with them. (II Corinthians 12:12; I Corinthians 13:8; Hebrews 2:3-4; Mark 16:17-20; I Corinthians 1:22, 14:21-22). On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Thousands of people, including myself, beg to differ. The problem is assuming intent instead of asking. Its the inspired word of God. You dont just GO WITH THE FLOW. Anderson and other New IFB pastors have praised the Orlando gay nightclub shooting. 7. We believe the Blessed Hope of our Lord's return is literal, personal, visible, imminent, premillennial, and pretribulational. If you think that the other translations are too wordly that right there I dont like. 11. I hope whatever poor experience you had hasnt taken you away from the faith. Many churches are about the money, as is some of their pastors. First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friends eye. ? 33. If your pastor refuses to be called Reverend, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Happily a brainwashed Bible-folk for about 28 years with more peace in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ and a firm foundation of absolute truth to stand on (yes, thats the KV, haha!). If they are saved , I dare say they regret the day they walked into the very church you enjoy making fun of. I did learn a lot. The True Church: The doctrine of a believer's church is a key belief in Baptist life. Oh yes, and he forgot the most important, essential factorrelated to KJV reliancevirtual ignorance of and illiteracy in biblical Hebrew and Greek!!!!!!!! Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? Its insidious and extremely toxic. 4 They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden. Forget the past and move on to do those things that shine light to the lost, edify the saints, and glorify God. They are already spelled out in the Bible. Fannin was later ejected as the lead preacher of SBC-Jax. 55. How come many Americans havent heard of the Independent Fundamental Baptist church movement? Although some Independent Baptist churches refuse affiliation with Baptist denominations, various Independent Baptist Church denominations have been founded. I found that 10 of those apply to me and Im not even IFB. Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. In thinking back, I see that the church was filled with tiny idols like that. If you think that secular music (i.e., anything other than old time gospel hymns) is sinful, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 19. I truly dont understand this one, ha! Its never spoken but up there to read. Just because we forgive people doesnt mean we are obligated to marry them or anything else. While I have no opinions on this I do agree that wives, from a biblical view, should be submissive to their husbands because its found in Ephesians 5:22-23: 22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. Believing that going to the movies is sinful but not renting them or watching them on TV I dont see anything wrong about going to the movies because I went to the movies years ago. The IFB church I attend preaches cleaning the heart not performing works. (2 Timothy 2:15), We believe the first day of the week is the Lords Day. If you think anything other than a suit and tie for men is too casual for Sundays, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 11. I believe being separate is doing what God has commanded you to do. 5. Ive used tattoos but not permanent ones. For you say that it means nothing to swear by Gods Temple, but that it is binding to swear by the gold in the Temple. 17 Blind fools! We are happily married today blessed with 2 more children. 26. We believe that speaking in tongues was never the common or necessary sign of the baptism or filling of the Holy Spirit and that ultimate deliverance of the body from sickness or death awaits the consummation of our salvation in the resurrection, though God frequently chooses to answer the prayer of believers for physical healing. That can get a little hairy, though, because you never know when youll end up at a more liberal churchlike yours! A IFB member knocked on my door one Saturday and invited us to church. But if people come here to attack me and my views I will defend myself. We believe in verbal, plenary inspiration in the original writings, and God's preservation of His pure words to every generation (II Timothy 3:16, Psalms 12:6-8). My jabs are defensive in nature. lm 8:4-9; Colossians 3:9-11). Like a grenade strike, no commitment to understand or empathize, just broad and arrogant assumptions. Everything is about Him, He is a jealous God. Care to elaborate, provide examples? There are some things that the IFB does very well, such as fellowship. 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. I must put it in Jesus Christ. It seems most on here have a issue with IFB churches. Hypocrites! Baptism means that a believer is bodily immersed in water followed by being raised up The verses you quoted are taken out of context and dont mean what you imply them to mean. Also, Im not mocking Biblical beliefs. WHY do children that leave IFB churches hardly ever come back? If you feel compelled to go door to door witnessing (or were compelled to visit a nursing home as a teen), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 28. The sacredness of human personality is evident in that God created man in His own image and is mindful of him, and in that Christ died for man; therefore every individual possesses dignity and is worthy of respect and Christian love. 5. I will cut to the chase: my Pastor and his wife took a much needed vacation a few years ago. I disclosed to (2) pastors at this church personal and heart felt feelings that I thought and grew up and was told you can talk to your pastor, because he is a man of God. To be brought back to the norm of what being a Christian is all about. I have read other versions of the Bible. I would have rejected the advice if in my heart If didnt want the relationship anymore, but we had a kid and I needed it to work. If you (like Jason) come to this site to criticize sarcasm by hypocritically using sarcasm, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. If I have misunderstood I apologize. It is the final authority on all matters of faith, practice, and polity. you DVR the Superbowl (or watch sport center on your phone in the vestibule) because you cant miss church. Be careful that a fanatical or unbiblical few do not cause you to condemn us all as a group. God Bless. WebThe following year, the CBF became the Fundamental Baptist Fellowship (1967). There are independent Reformed/Calvinist Baptists, and independent Arminian They bought your loyalty. Thats not unique to the IFB. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated co Do I believe he punishes no, because Ive gone without tithing and had no awareness of punishment, but when I do tithe I find blessing of increase in physical and spiritual goods. Is to help you find a bible believing church, an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, that seeks to serve and honor the Lord Jesus Christ. The IFB Insidious Fundamental Baptist Church . I do believe the requirements of a bishop and deacon is the husband of one wife.1 Timothy 3:2,12 we dont look down on divorced people. Is that what the great commission tells us to do: Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and send lost loved ones to an IFB church so that they might be saved (DHV Don Holt Version). Praise God because us getting married and having faith we both grew. Mental health issues is a result of sin and poor choices same position with my belief concerning IFB 48. While I dont have a general opinion on this, I do believe that we should discipline our kids in the same sense that God disciplines us. Independent Fundamental Baptists are one of the most legalistic Christian groups/. Hmmmmm interesting.I will bash ifb, while I mix truth and error interesting.. Nice going Steve Instead of reprimanding me why dont you pray for the lost? This list are things that are unique to the IFB. Steve, Im a 29 year old pastor of an independent Baptist church. [4] Anderson has also produced videos in which he attacks the religion of Judaism and questions the official account of the Holocaust. Id have more time to minister to the lost if I didnt have to work to repair the damage done by the IFB. I wanted to marry my boyfriend, but I want to fix him first. 3. I forgave and praise the lord in my life forgiveness was indeed profitable. 18 And you say that to swear by the altar is not binding, but to swear by the gifts on the altar is binding. My birth mother is a Catholic she didnt raise me. We believe education in the world is good, but the teaching of evolution needs to be addressed if the individual is a little kid as false doctrine. If your child is behaving like a child but you think they are rebellious, misbehaving, mischevious, etc. Matthew 6:14-15 is a warning not a command. Since the origins of the church, Baptists have said the Bible is the only authority for Christian faith If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse than yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, my current pastor, at Balsam Street Christian Church, doesnt do any of the two as he doesnt use the pulpit to preach his sermons anyways. Would the lost or questioning feel that even if someone is attacking your comments, that youre setting an example that they could adopt? 45. G. M. Matheny. Oh well, maybe another discussion. Attending an IFB church is the only way to hear the true gospel and get saved There are so many churches that claim the be the one, true, church, especially the Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Anglicans, some Lutherans, Jehovahs Witnesses, Mormons, etc. It made me think of this, Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; Its a shame, but whattayagonnado? Christ suffered and N/A The ones that do apply, I dont see a problem with (ie, we do have a track rack and we do have a van that picks up from surrounding neighborhoods and I do enjoy attending church 3 times a week and would enjoy more if possible.) Of course these cultural attachments border on the cultic, no doubt are legalistic, and hopefully will disappear eventually as the old guard depart their bondage in this life for Glory! This is the first and great commandment. Pastor and his wife did pay for the reception, photography, and shower. If you read any other bible besides the Kjv bible you not sining. I grew up in a baptist church and went elsewhere after college and I am learning how liberal other churches are and anything goes as long as the people are happy. I want no part of it except to expose it for what it is cultish. If the devil is going to attack, he will attack the family and the church first. If people asked rather than assumed there would be a lot less reactions. Its NOT ABOUT US! The Bible terms pastor, elder, and bishop refer to different responsibilities for the same office. (Matthew 22:15-22; 28:19-20;Romans 13:1-7). N/A Well the whole point of being an independent church is that there is no one that you are responsible to. Luke 8:17, Daniel 2:22, Luke 12:2. God is the only one who can forgive mans sins. operating or proceeding inconspicuously but with grave effect. 1 John 1:9 I am pretty conservative, but find some of this stuff outright ridiculous! God works in mysterious ways. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: What sorrow awaits you! Please read for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. All youve done in your last paragraph is parrot typical IFB talking points no substance there, just regurgitation. I had my part. Pastors daughter did my hair and cleaned my dress with baby wipes. More insights from your Bible study - Get Started with Logos Bible Software for Free! Matthew 6:14-15 No, thats silly! Anyway, Im sorry that you had a bad experience at an IFB church, but that doesnt excuse you for mocking Biblical beliefs. 11 The greatest among you must be a servant. Now, I am a 25 year old women with 3 children a 4, 2, and 7 month old and my Husband is 26. In fact, if you're single you know what I'm talking about. Does the lord convict me when I miss? There are a couple places but, they're all pretty much much secular and worldly. Ask questions if you need to and Ill be happy to explain more. Every proposition presented for action of the church must be introduced by motion of one member and seconded by another. We ONLY pray to God because saints dont serve as mediators to God the Father. I know the answers now. I can use scripture to instruct me how to forgive others and God told me that it is profitable. Romans 5:8 We even have TWO. What a stupid thing to say. She told her son Kenneth, who was 16, he had to start attending the academy and the church with her. Not of works, lest any man should boast. Our only Head is the Lord Jesus Christ and our only headquarters is heaven. My writing tends to be somewhat heavy and serious so every once in a while I like to add some humor to lighten things up a bit. When you discover that female is indeed wearing the acceptable dress, skirt or koulotts youre so relieved to know that shes right with God ! If you first came to church because Brother Dave or Brother Mike knocked on your door and invited you, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I mean, why would you think its too liberal to sing anything other than hymns in the church because, there are some churches within the Southern Baptist Convention, which is different from the IFB, that have a contemporary music worship in one service and have traditional hymns in another service. I wish you had broken up your last paragraph into multiple paragraph everything runs together. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. We reject all cooperation with this movement. Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! (Matthew 28:19-20; Romans 6:4; 1 Corinthians 11:23-32), Every individual, believer and unbeliever, possesses the God-given privilege of free will having the liberty to choose what to believe. The membership Wow. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Im not sure where your pastor got that from, but its not in the Bible. Should we stay living together with our baby in fornication? Interesting that Steve begins his response by taking the Lords name in vainmmmmmmm, very interesting, but hes found the truth, riiiiight. 20. Please get away from the IFB as far as you can, as fast as you can. You are still required to tithe in the IFB regardless of your source of income. Would the lost or questioning feel that even if someone is attacking your comments, that youre setting an example that they could adopt? 21. Back then, you had to wear your Sunday best. If your pastor is a true scholar of the Bible and is on fire with eagerness to teach it, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. We believe that a Fundamentalist is defined by their adherence to orthodox theology, orthodox methodology, and will only fellowship with those who do the same. Every child of God has equal access to their Heavenly Father. We reject any teaching that abortions of pregnancies due to rape, incest, birth defects, gender selection, birth or population control, or the mental well-being of the mother are acceptable. No denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. Why would I even send a lost loved one to church instead of sharing the gospel with them for that matter? What your pastor told you is a severe twisting of scripture (if he even used scripture). I was sincerely disappointed. The reality is the ONLY TRUE CHURCH is the church that PRACTICES BIBLICAL TEACHINGS and NOT THAT OF MAN-MADE TEACHINGS because THEY ARE AGAINST THE BIBLE because I do ask the question that why there are so many churches. I do agree that its not sinful about renting movies or watching them on TV. Please trust me when I tell you that your IFB church (as most other IFB churches) is preying on you. Anderson, Fannin and Shelley traded accusations of financial wrongdoing and running a cult. Point is that we are to edify with love and meekness all brothers and sisters in Christ, not criticize in front of a lost world. The last pastor I had, at Mountain, would yell sometimes on his sermons to make sense of humor since most of his sermons were pretty funny but never pounded the pulpit. I dont post this to to attack you, nor defend Dave, rather to simply point out that perhaps both are not setting the best of examples? 54. 28 Outwardly you look like righteous people, but inwardly your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness. I thought youd like that. Well I am a little confused. When I read what you have written, I sense that you are bitter, hurt, angry, and possibly disillusioned. I have no position or opinion of this You can clap in church, we did that Mountain, the church I grew up though we didnt do it very often though. We had no money.. Im pretty sure it WAS/IS alcohol because the bible talks alot about not getting drunk with wine.also take a little wine, etc. Yes, because he wants to spend a little time with his child. Instead of attempting to find humor , find time to pray for them. Did I have to marry him because I forgave him? People can ask for clarification if they want. 36. No, its only announced in the powers points as a time and place. If we must consider these points as a point for consideration, these ought to be a source form the Bible. While God hates divorce, but we should help those who are divorce so they can grow spiritually. All I do is reply to comments. Only thing Ill add to the list is, You might be an IFB if you greet all visitors with huge smiles, handshakes, and extreme cheerfulness. I feel sorry for all the visitors we almost accosted now; no wonder some never came back! We believe that man was created in the image and likeness of God, but that in Adam's sin the race fell, inherited a sinful nature, and became alienated from God; and therefore man is totally depraved, and, of himself, utterly unable to remedy his lost conditin (Genesis 1: 26- 27; Romans 3: 2 2-23; Ephesians 2 : 1-3, 12). Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? If you refuse to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcoholic beverages, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 27. The parable of the prodigal son is talking about Israel the younger and Judah the elder. I did read it but I still dont understand their beliefs on it.. I had a free apartment, food stamps, government phone, and a $60.. utility check every month. You might be a hypocrite if you dedicate a whole website to exposing deception while using it.??? Take a look here: WebBaptists reject the notion of baptism of people who do not know what is happening to them, such as children. If your eyes quickly scan down to see if a fellow female church member is wearing the acceptable skirt, dress or koulotts outside of church, and Heaven forbid shes wearing capris or pants!! If I couldnt tolerate anyone saying something different I would instruct the site moderator to delete comments such as yours. THE LAST THINGS A church that has tract rack I dont know what they are for but my old church has one for storing hymn books (or hymnals), pew bibles, bible study books, etc. 10. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 9. Some true, some not so much. He granted his permission to work in the Infant Ministry and Toddler, and 3-4 year old Ministry. We believe that the New Testament church is a local assembly of baptized believers who have voluntarily joined themselves toge therto carry out the Great Commission. Its concept of an ecclesiastical Kingdom is not supported by Scripture. I forgave through the example of Jesus. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? It emphasizes love at the expense of truth. If your church funnels in inner city kids via a bus ministry, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 24. Jesus does that. What is a Bible Baptist Church, and what do Bible Baptists believe. The church never knew our problems but god did. I forgot to mention my concerns on some of the other beliefs of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Church: I respond to IFB jabs, sometimes that requires a jab back. Baptists are traditionally strong believers in Biblical authority. If you believe that secular psychology is worldly/sinful, but dont think that other areas of medicine are OK, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 45. We believe that the only marriage recognized by Scripture is the joining of one man and one woman. The preachers who I knew as a teenager all had real degrees in theology from acredited universities. 32. Im not responsible for how its perceived. Israel was the prodical.. judah is the elder son that was jealous of israel.. Study The prodigal son and the two houses of Israel. Its my calling and my ministry. 6. If you think that you can be a better Christian or have more favor with God with good performance, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 54. If you believe that God cant use a divorced man and pull out your Scofield Bible to show why, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 39. silver spurs rodeo 2022 schedule,